tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-938120942169485220.post3147276793625698385..comments2024-03-02T23:39:15.327-05:00Comments on The Elka Almanac: New (to me) survey: Dog aggression and owner aggressionJenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10562151546770315227noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-938120942169485220.post-7642488291284374472018-07-21T12:18:38.456-04:002018-07-21T12:18:38.456-04:00Thank you because you have been willing to share i...Thank you because you have been willing to share information with us. we will always appreciate all you have done here because I know you are very concerned with our. <a href="https://therealtycommission.com" rel="nofollow">for sale by owner british columbia</a><br />Prinxess https://www.blogger.com/profile/14313504668917104996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-938120942169485220.post-23220679686737833002013-05-28T13:31:21.635-04:002013-05-28T13:31:21.635-04:00The issue (as I see it) is finding a good trainer....The issue (as I see it) is finding a good trainer.<br /><br />We brought Sampson to training class at 10 weeks old, this was the very first class either one of us attended, (and I wouldn't do something I didn't agree with)but it was definitely not a positive training class and at the time I didn't know any different. <br /><br />Thankfully I have a fairly well-adjusted boy who at times can be a bit excited greeting others as that is the way it was taught from the time he was a pup.Jodihttp://www.heartlikeadog.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-938120942169485220.post-4040759761429371712013-05-22T15:36:30.147-04:002013-05-22T15:36:30.147-04:00I'm not a big fan of alpha rolls or any aggres...I'm not a big fan of alpha rolls or any aggressive, hands-on work with a dog. But I have observed something with Honey's breeders. <br /><br />They suggest turning a dog on her back so she doesn't become dominant. However, they are very gentle people so their "alpha roll" is more like a belly tickle. And their Golden Retrievers are extremely sweet so they don't need much coaxing to show their bellies.<br /><br />While I don't think their version of dominance training is doing any good, based on my observations, it's not doing any harm either. Unfortunately, I don't think that's the case for many dogs and their people. And it appears the survey backs this up.<br /><br />Thanks for a great post. I can't wait to read McConnell's post on this survey too.Pamela | Something Wagging This Way Comeshttp://www.somethingwagging.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-938120942169485220.post-14399886901897150482013-05-22T08:13:57.530-04:002013-05-22T08:13:57.530-04:00Sometimes it's difficult to stay calm, but we ...Sometimes it's difficult to stay calm, but we achieve so much more that way. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-938120942169485220.post-60299180899803673842013-05-21T22:45:28.399-04:002013-05-21T22:45:28.399-04:00"Moral: you will never cry over the fact that..."Moral: you will never cry over the fact that you gave your dog a cookie."<br /><br /><br />YES!Jenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10562151546770315227noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-938120942169485220.post-86731511437431461592013-05-21T22:44:32.416-04:002013-05-21T22:44:32.416-04:00It was a survey, not a study, so thank you for cal...It was a survey, not a study, so thank you for calling my attention to that. The survey, as I've (I feel correctly) said in the post was very detailed, though self reporting. It was also done by people already working with a veterinary behaviorist, for what that's worth. <br /><br />E collars and choke chains are something that I do try not to vilify outright; I think that a lot of people implement them improperly and without enough knowledge and without working with a trainer. I also think that there is a proper way to use them, and as a tool they can be fabulous for a number of behaviors. <br /><br />Jenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10562151546770315227noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-938120942169485220.post-14732132458935137832013-05-21T22:31:33.350-04:002013-05-21T22:31:33.350-04:00I have read it three times. Was it a study or a s...I have read it three times. Was it a study or a survey? Two very different things. Questions asked to participants is a survey are hardly scientific. I also do not see how anyone could say definitively that the owner's behavior caused the dog's behavior issues. Perhaps the dog's issues would have been far worse without owner intervention? <br /><br />Well you know that use both positive and negative reinforcement for our dogs' training. E-collar and choke chains are just tools and not methods. It isn't about losing one's temper. Losing one's temper is not training. Training is about reinforcing an already learned behavior, whether you use a training tool or not. <br /><br />If someone is losing their temper while training, best to take a break. I think Patricia McConnell is sort of mixing this all up and I am not sure why. I also think that she is really reaching for the conclusions she draws, (ie using a "study" to support her opinion). 2browndawgshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15792375606466389228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-938120942169485220.post-90149376687042418762013-05-21T12:09:06.112-04:002013-05-21T12:09:06.112-04:00I'm with you on the "I try, but sometimes...I'm with you on the "I try, but sometimes I lose my temper" boat. One day I yelled at Silas for barking out the window, and then I burst into hysterical sobs because I was screaming at my already-frightened dog. He was, of course, desperately confused by the whole situation. <br /><br />Moral: you will never cry over the fact that you gave your dog a cookie. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-938120942169485220.post-65842793894217272362013-05-21T11:06:14.642-04:002013-05-21T11:06:14.642-04:00I hope you enjoy it as much as I did! I also love ...I hope you enjoy it as much as I did! I also love Patricia McConnell, so I don't mind that she beat me out on posting about it ;)<br /><br />Yes, I think we're all in the learning process together!Jenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10562151546770315227noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-938120942169485220.post-37848747149600162782013-05-21T11:05:35.285-04:002013-05-21T11:05:35.285-04:00Or tie it around a rock, perhaps?
That's one ...Or tie it around a rock, perhaps?<br /><br />That's one thing that bugs me. When people EVANGELIZE choking your dog. Like, why has this become the norm? How has it? Jenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10562151546770315227noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-938120942169485220.post-44659910568879376282013-05-21T09:46:54.995-04:002013-05-21T09:46:54.995-04:00i love love love everything about this. i kid you ...i love love love everything about this. i kid you not, just yesterday i found myself in a screaming match with a man twice my age who was yelling at me that i should have desmond on a choke chain instead of a harness. i don't normally get into confrontations with people on the street or other dog owners, but this guy just caught me on the wrong day. i wish i had been able to print this out, make it into a paper airplane, and launch it at his forehead. Lauren @ Life With Desmondhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09976547323996618195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-938120942169485220.post-45463190937731972392013-05-20T19:06:29.068-04:002013-05-20T19:06:29.068-04:00Thanks for calling out this study Jen, I will have...Thanks for calling out this study Jen, I will have to put it on my reading list. I am a work in progress, just like my dogs, so any help I can get to be better at working with my dogs and helping them be better canine citizens is worth the read. I Love Patricia McConnell, so I'm sure this will be interesting.SlimDoggyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10830198538573500213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-938120942169485220.post-81388975826380360482013-05-20T14:21:07.912-04:002013-05-20T14:21:07.912-04:00Frankly? I'm just not good enough to not lose ...Frankly? I'm just not good enough to not lose my temper sometimes. I try, very hard, and I've learned so much just having Elka, and can only hope to continue improving. I do agree, I love the challenge of figuring out how to shape or redirect a behavior, rather than trying force; anything Elka knows is from that sort of training, not yelling. Jenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10562151546770315227noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-938120942169485220.post-20532380705828098632013-05-20T08:38:26.371-04:002013-05-20T08:38:26.371-04:00I have read the same studies and pieces you refere...I have read the same studies and pieces you referenced. Maybe I am a little more definitive on this issue than most (having dogs that are extremely sensitive to body movements and loud voices), but I believe there is no reason to ever use force on a dog when a positive and non-painful option is available. I think people choose aggressive methods for two reasons - it's easy and convenient and they like to feel powerful over their pet. <br /><br />I love the challenge of thinking how I can use positive reinforcement to get my dog to perform a trick or to redirect a behavior. It takes more brain power to train a dog. It's a shame people prefer not to think and use force instead.melFhttp://nodogaboutit.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.com