tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-938120942169485220.post1254159453354844846..comments2024-03-02T23:39:15.327-05:00Comments on The Elka Almanac: The Doberman: American and EuropeanJenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10562151546770315227noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-938120942169485220.post-73423918544143612842012-05-13T18:05:08.900-04:002012-05-13T18:05:08.900-04:00I didn't know there was such variation with Da...I didn't know there was such variation with Dachshunds! It makes sense that there would be, I don't think anything is ever the same on both sides of the pond!Jenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10562151546770315227noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-938120942169485220.post-76507699322399004322012-05-12T10:07:15.862-04:002012-05-12T10:07:15.862-04:00I always wondered why people were so quick to CH t...I always wondered why people were so quick to CH their dog. Why not wait and let them grow a little. If I were into showing, I would wait, get the health checks and then proceed to show. <br /><br />Also, I know Kyuss was 28" at 1.5 years old and I thought that's where he'd stay. But by the time he was 2, he topped out at 29". How many of these dogs are championed only to grow out of the standard when they reach maturity?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-938120942169485220.post-46510765593686311022012-05-11T01:39:57.781-04:002012-05-11T01:39:57.781-04:00Hm. I like the t-shirt idea. I'd totally buy o...Hm. I like the t-shirt idea. I'd totally buy one. :)Marinegeekswifehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00926318005894416355noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-938120942169485220.post-53983809276957983512012-05-10T20:35:41.272-04:002012-05-10T20:35:41.272-04:00I think there's a lot of this in all the breed...I think there's a lot of this in all the breeds, at least in the hound, herding and working groups (never owned any dogs from the others, so I can't say for sure.). <br />In Dachshunds, there's quite a big difference between American and Euro lines. One isn't better then the other, I have my personal preference of course, but that doesn't make one superior! Nola's from mostly Euro working lines, with a handful of show, and I personally prefer the working Euro. She's smaller then most American, but she's robust, not as short and long (so less risk of back issues), has higher stamina and a greater drive then most Americans. She's also more intelligent and independent, and she can dig like you wouldn't believe. It's funny, in Doxies from Euro, even their teeth are bigger and stronger! <br />I don't like how diverse it can be among the same breed, show dogs should be able to work and do what they were bred for. I loved this post!<br />Nola's MomDachshund Nolahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12050622761352753529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-938120942169485220.post-80630698046425817362012-05-10T16:56:47.994-04:002012-05-10T16:56:47.994-04:00Thanks! I always cringe a little after I press &qu...Thanks! I always cringe a little after I press "publish", figuring a Doberman person with miles more experience is going to come here and tell me how I've gotten it all wrong!<br /><br />Yup. A Whole Doberman is the way to be. If I was a smart designer, I'd make t-shirts like the "Whole Foods" store, but saying Whole Doberman. Hmmm.Jenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10562151546770315227noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-938120942169485220.post-14359164960232733542012-05-10T15:22:27.172-04:002012-05-10T15:22:27.172-04:00Good summation of the debate. The standards exist ...Good summation of the debate. The standards exist for a reason, as long as the breeders stick to a standard I don't care if they are Euro, American, or a combo. Breeders should also be breeding for the "whole Doberman" meaning health, temperament, conformation, and workability. You really must have all of the above to have the best examples of the breed. Unfortunately there are extremes on either end of the spectrum. There are Euros that are too thick or fat as people call them. There are also Americans that are too light of bone and don't have a good temperament. Personally, I wish they would hold American lines to the same temperament/workability standards they do in many European countries. The Doberman is a working dog and should be able to earn working titles. We have failures of that on both sides, too. Americans lacking the temperament and Euros that are too heavy to clear a jump or wall easily. A dog with temperament can work but will break down at a young age if they aren't conformationally correct, etc. But yes, it is a debate that will go on and on.Marinegeekswifehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00926318005894416355noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-938120942169485220.post-32261789706503490542012-05-10T14:45:10.856-04:002012-05-10T14:45:10.856-04:00I do think that show dogs should be able to functi...I do think that show dogs should be able to function as working dogs, in the Doberman world, and vice versa. To me, a working dog is gorgeous, and a conformationally correct working dog is better able to do her job!Jenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10562151546770315227noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-938120942169485220.post-5493872602640839542012-05-10T14:43:50.140-04:002012-05-10T14:43:50.140-04:00I've wondered about the reddish golden retriev...I've wondered about the reddish golden retrievers! I've also seen "silver labs", but I know that it's theoretically within the chocolate lab variant, and breeders breeding just for those aren't typically ones that would fit well into my "Picking a breeder" tab at the top there.<br /><br />That's an interesting question. If they have a pointier head, do the like kids more? If they're leggy do they....yeah, I don't know!Jenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10562151546770315227noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-938120942169485220.post-33702891364575369662012-05-10T14:42:18.879-04:002012-05-10T14:42:18.879-04:00Thanks! I do try to be judicious, even if I feel s...Thanks! I do try to be judicious, even if I feel strongly about something, and even if I'm kind of confused by something.<br /><br />While I do feel conformation is important, I think it's because (At least in the case of the Doberman) a dog with a good conformation will be healthy and comfortable, and physically fit. The ranges of conformation? Well, I can say that there are heads on some European dogs that I don't prefer, but I'm not going to get mad about it!Jenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10562151546770315227noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-938120942169485220.post-22313587109429434912012-05-10T14:34:50.816-04:002012-05-10T14:34:50.816-04:00Maybe she is at heart!Maybe she is at heart!Jenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10562151546770315227noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-938120942169485220.post-82634681876896139482012-05-10T14:33:17.788-04:002012-05-10T14:33:17.788-04:00I think it is silly to have different varities in ...I think it is silly to have different varities in a breed, they should all be the same. We have the same thing in Newfies but not as much as in the GSD's. <br />As long as they healthy and sound it should al be good:)<br /><br />Love the bunny ears!jenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08111366525685780384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-938120942169485220.post-2140942765492944672012-05-10T13:47:41.776-04:002012-05-10T13:47:41.776-04:00I find it interesting how breeding for certain typ...I find it interesting how breeding for certain types of temperament can end up linked to changes in appearance. For example, working lines of Golden Retrievers tend to be more reddish than those bred for showing (or companionship).<br /><br />I wonder if there are genetic links in Dobermans to body type that would also correspond to the kind of work they're mean to do that would account for some of the differences?<br /><br />We met a lovely Doberman in an SPCA playgroup we attended. She was very large boned and I had trouble believing she was a Doberman because she didn't look like the slim dogs I was familiar with. i guess she came from these European lines you are talking about.Pamelahttp://www.somethingwagging.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-938120942169485220.post-12205101591426850442012-05-10T12:13:20.590-04:002012-05-10T12:13:20.590-04:00I like your approach. I've never understood wh...I like your approach. I've never understood why so may purebreed dog people get so competitive about "our type is best." As long as the dogs are healthy and serve their purpose as pets, show or working, it shouldn't matter so much how they look.Janhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07145008534811435024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-938120942169485220.post-73233320707394295532012-05-10T11:31:53.522-04:002012-05-10T11:31:53.522-04:00Are you sure she's not part pink bunny rabbit?...Are you sure she's not part pink bunny rabbit?Kirsten (peacefuldog)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17157607807509631485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-938120942169485220.post-13238323670317096312012-05-10T10:50:16.088-04:002012-05-10T10:50:16.088-04:00Unfortunately, I think it's common ground to b...Unfortunately, I think it's common ground to be trod in every dog breed. I wonder if there's any breed where everybody is just happy about the dogs? That's worth looking into! I've even heard that in the Border Collie world, there are the working dogs and then the "Barbie collies". <br /><br />I do agree, wholeheartedly, that a dog should both be able to be a champion AND do the work that he or she was bred for.Jenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10562151546770315227noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-938120942169485220.post-5021731179245277652012-05-10T10:48:36.937-04:002012-05-10T10:48:36.937-04:00Oh, see, I didn't think about that. A lot of p...Oh, see, I didn't think about that. A lot of people do finish their AKC championships when their dogs are very young. Kind of funny, really, since they ought to wait until the dog is 2 for breeding anyway (To get those OFA or Penn Hip results)! <br /><br />Man, as a puppy, Elka didn't grow all at once. She'd have one week where it seemed only her neck grew, and then one where she grew taller, and longer in the next, and then her head. It was bizarre!Jenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10562151546770315227noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-938120942169485220.post-38454409057348706322012-05-10T10:46:57.708-04:002012-05-10T10:46:57.708-04:00"I like this awesome thing!"
"Me to..."I like this awesome thing!"<br />"Me too. Except this way."<br />"That way' is wrong!"<br />"No, YOUR way is wrong!"<br /><br />^-------Yup, that's people for you.<br /><br />I didn't know there was a Greyhound debate as well. But really, of course there is. Ah well. As long as they're sound, the dogs don't care what they look like!Jenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10562151546770315227noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-938120942169485220.post-1612652722010497122012-05-10T10:44:30.193-04:002012-05-10T10:44:30.193-04:00Oh, there might be! I've heard that South Amer...Oh, there might be! I've heard that South American Dobermans are yet a third category, just a smaller overall population than American and European. Maybe they cut the difference?<br /><br />Thanks! Once in awhile, I luck out and get good pictures of her. It's my fault, not hers ^^Jenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10562151546770315227noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-938120942169485220.post-62604975146984407372012-05-10T08:39:19.225-04:002012-05-10T08:39:19.225-04:00German Shepherds have all the same arguments! Sho...German Shepherds have all the same arguments! Show lines seem to be a quick way to ruin a breed, unfortunately. And even with Greyhounds, AKC versus NGA is a VERY hot topic! It seems no matter what the breed, there are going to be people who find something to argue about.houndstoothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02159272473651561647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-938120942169485220.post-52928832057699597052012-05-10T08:22:10.827-04:002012-05-10T08:22:10.827-04:00I think one of the misconceptions people have of N...I think one of the misconceptions people have of NA lines being "skinny" has to do with the fact they see all these lovely show photos of the dobe's winning their championship, but don't take into account, most dogs are still puppies. <br /><br />Kyuss is overweight now, but last autumn he was a perfect weight with a nice tuckup. I always got comments on how strong and big he looked compaired to "those skinny show dobes." <br />When he was a year though, he looked like a skrawny little deer! He had legs that went on forever, and I had so much trouble putting weight on him.<br /><br />Then, when people look at photos of the euro dobes, they may see photos of the dog in it's prime. The don't show their dogs there much, so many photos are much more recent; being that the doberman will often times be over 2 or 3 years old.<br /><br />That was my mistake when I was a noob anyway.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-938120942169485220.post-5092175224872519832012-05-10T07:04:04.022-04:002012-05-10T07:04:04.022-04:00Very interesting. This debate sounds familiar, ex...Very interesting. This debate sounds familiar, except substitute retrievers. If you look at show (British style) Labs vs. field labs, you would see a huge difference. Then look at show Goldens vs. field Goldens. The differences can be a hot topic on retriever forums just like the Dode debate on those forums. Chessies have a similar debate...show vs. field, (although you could not necessarily tell to look at them). I cannot tell you the number of times people have told us that our "show" dogs could not do field work...lol. But seriously, I do think it is a shame when breeds "split" working vs. show. It does a disservice to the breed imo. Show breeders should pay attention to working ability of a working breed and working dog breeders should pay attention to structure and movement. Sadly that is not always the case.2browndawgshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15792375606466389228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-938120942169485220.post-67225972525461977022012-05-10T06:15:02.252-04:002012-05-10T06:15:02.252-04:00Great post! Very informative! I just wonder whethe...Great post! Very informative! I just wonder whether there are also Bicontinental Dobermans :)<br /><br />Loved the photo at the end. What a sweetheart!Bicontinental Dachshundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16333834293290654277noreply@blogger.com